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    Re: Division 1 Title

    Oh, I know about the injuries and that Clintwood is probably healthiest at this point .. but it doesn't change the fact that I look at them as very mediocre state title contenders if they somehow make it that far. I hope they surprise me, I really do. But I just can't see it happening.
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    Re: Division 1 Title

    You also picked PV to beat them 34-6 and then said after Clintwood won "neither team impressed me". How can a team be picked to lose by 4 tds win and completely shut down the other teams offense and not in some form or fashion be somewhat impressive. I don't know about you chubby. You're from a different planet I think. You have many years of valuable knowledge to learn my padawan. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] I don't know about them wininng, because I'll say it, I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THEY'RE PLAYING. I'm just glad you weren't wagering money on Appy or Jonesville.
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    Re: Division 1 Title

    Oh, you're talking about Clintwood/Powell Valley now?

    That was just Clintwood playing against another horrible spell of Powell Valley's "throw, throw, throw, throw, throw, run" offense in which they (PV) showed great promise in the running game but were close to scoring numerous times only to end up throwing interceptions almost every time and screwing up important drives. Horrible play-calling just like in the most recent PV/GC game.

    Let's also not forget that up to that point, Powell Valley was actually playing fairly well and this was before they were beaten by Clintwood and played a surprisingly bad game versus Kelly.

    I wasn't impressed by Clintwood because the entire night they were sucking it up on offense. I wasn't impressed by Powell Valley because their offense was also miserable and their defense didn't have a whole lot to worry about with Clintwood's mediocre Offense.

    I picked Powell Valley 34-6 because of the way Clintwood was demolished by Volunteer and then beaten pretty badly (28-3) by Lebanon who Powell Valley completely shut down [the running game I'm referring to] just a week or so before.

    I was definitely shocked that Clintwood came out winners because I would have never expected it before the game, but afterwards I wasn't so much impressed as I was disappointed that I didn't see a better Powell Valley team with better play-calling. And let's not forget that almost every time Myron P. touched the ball that game (when he DID get to do so), he ran all over Clintwood.
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    Re: Division 1 Title

    I'm talking about PV because it's showing that your picking prowess rivals that of a trained monkey. It's hard to count the number of times that you're either been "amazed", "shocked", or "in disbelief" because of someone's performance or a game didn't go like you thought.

    As for Pinkston, uh... no he didn't. He was getting good yardage, most of that was because they were in a three man front. It's easy to get yardage off that, but more than likely you're not going to break anything big. They're playing a 3-4 to limit the pass. I think he had 70-90 yards on about 15 carries. You'll enjoy the game much more when you quit watching the ball, and start seeing the whole field. There is more to football than trying to chunk a ball around the field. There's nothing wrong with defensive football. Clintwood won 3 state titles playing it and had what most folks consider the best teams to ever play in this state.
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    Re: Division 1 Title

    Exactly, they were playing a defense focused on stopping the pass so every time Powell Valley ran the ball they got good yardage. Every time Pinkston touched the ball, he did well.. Again, why the heck didn't they run more often if it was working well for them?

    And why did they insist on throwing the ball when they were in/close to the redzone instead of being able to run easily against a defense focused on stopping the pass and which INTERCEPTED the passes?

    This is what I'm trying to say. Powell Valley's offense/play-calling was just miserable that night.
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    Re: Division 1 Title

    Because if they went to an I and started running more they go to a 4 or 5 man front or even if they stay in the spread and keep giving him the draw, you quit dropping or sending your outside lb'ers off the edge and have them focus on the run. It was working well for them, because Clintwood was giving it to them. If a team is in 3rd and 25 and they run the draw and pick up 20, they're not doing good. It's what they're given. Simple.
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    Re: Division 1 Title

    But then if you mix it up better with the running/passing and start confusing those linebackers and the defense itself, isn't that a better way to call plays when working with the spread? I know that with the spread they're obviously wanting to focus on throwing the ball, but even some of the plays I saw them choose were just way out there.. like I said, it reminded me a lot of the PV/GC game this Saturday in which they continuously tried to go for long passes and ended up getting screwed over with several int's as a result.

    It's just sad to see some of that talent in the backfield go to waste. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img]
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    Re: Division 1 Title

    Syntax, there is an element to defense you play when you're playing a team with some gamebreakers. It's basically a bend, don't break defense. If you would think of the first Clintwood, Norton game this year, Clintwood was inside that what, 10 yard line twice early and came away with 3 points. That's why it was a big thing for Clintwood to punch the first drive in Saturday. Clintwood was content to give up 3-4 yards on plays, but not 30-40 yard plays. Same thing when it was PV. You bend, you don't break. 30-40 yard plays tend to lead to scores. You can give up 2 3 yard plays, make one stop and its a 3rd down and 4, or 5.
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    Re: Division 1 Title

    The thing is, I know some people thought Norton would kill Clintwood, but most people from Norton didn't. The general opinion I got from them after the first game was they really didn't want to see Clintwood again. It's not that they were scared of Clintwood, but for the most part, the Clintwood/Norton games are/have been very good games. I believe Burton was averaging around a +4 turnover ratio in those games. You can't do that against a good team. You put yourself in positions where you have to take chances and that normally blows you up against a good team. Clintwood four losses this year. Gate City @ Gate City, Lebanon @ Lebanon, Norton @ Norton and Volunteer @ Volunteer. All 4 were playoff teams.

    I'm not saying that Clintwood will win or won't win. I'm saying like I said before that they were a better team than people thought. Remember what they were thought of before the season. If I'm not mistaken, I think Bath County was 2-4 at one point in the season.
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    Re: Division 1 Title

    Volunteer is still the best team I've seen this year and it's not even close. They'd beat JIB about as bad as they did Clintwood. If Robinson was healthy and they're playing the way they are today, I still wouldn't pick Clintwood. That Cradic kid they have at qb is 2x's the player of anyone in this region.
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